When is it a crime

I was over at UmmAdams Blog the other day. She has a post about R.Kelly. The post was about him and the interview he gave for BET. It is sad…….Anyway, most comments were about how bad his actions were and how he needs to stop them. One of the comments said we need to not think about westen law and look at Allah she said

R. Kelly: Fornicator…YES!
R. Kelly: Nasty and lewd…YES!!!
R. Kelly: Predator on underage victims…NO.

A victim is a victim because of his helplessness, naivete, and ignorance, NOT because of his age.

Young age DOES NOT equal victim.
Old age DOES NOT equal victim.
Naivete at any age DOES EQUAL victim.

HUMMMMMMM, I am sorry but I do not agree and I just dont get it. This man preyed on young girls. So in my mind that makes him a pretator. Yes, I agree their are SOMe young girls that are mature for their age but do you really think he went around taking time to find out who was mature or was he looking at who was cute and had a nice body.

In Islam a girl can gett married once she gets her Monthly cycle. Ok, fine but just becuase you CAn do something does not mean it is the best thing for all people . I think looking at most men that try the big P will show us that just because something is halal does not mean it is right all the time for everyone. HERE  is a good example of what I mean.

This made me look at my childhood. Whn I was 13, 14 heck even 18 I was not ready for a real relationship. Yeah I had hormones jumping and had the same urges that every other person has at that age but was I ready for sex and all it brings. NO

At 13 our bodies may be ready but our minds usually are not. Yes, I could make a baby. I could do that by age 11 but would I know what to do with one or a husband. I think not and I really think most girls that age are not. So to say if your old enough to have sex then your old enought to get married IMHO is soooooooo wrong.

Yes, we all know we need to be married in order to have sex I am not disputing this.  But I am saying just becuase you can does not make it right. Marriage is more that sex. Yes in the begining thats about all you think about cuase it is new, that personis new to you and you just want to be with them and explore all the things you have been waiting to explore.

BUT that is not a marriage that is just a phase. The real marriage comes in a you have to budget, compromise, take orders, give orders, cook, clean, maybe change diapers and deal with children, you have to deal with in laws, mood swings, arguements, and so much more.

How many 13-15 year olds do you know that are ready to deal with that. I’m looking at my almost 17 yo and she is so not ready. Man she still plays with Barbie dolls.  So I think knowing that most girls are really not as mature as they THINK they are tells me these girls were Victims.

Heck at 15 I was grown in MY HEAD. I thought I knew everything. In reality I didnt know anything. So just because a girl agrees to have sex with a man in his 30’s of her own free will does not excuse his behavior. Her saying yes does not make it OK. Her saying I knew what I was doing does not hold water, Yes, she may know what goes where and heck she may even know positions that I aint never heard of BUT that does not mean she is mentally ready to assume all the responisbilty for all the reprocutions that can happen to her becuase of her choice.

Thats why there are laws. Yes, in the west a girl at that age cannot consent to sex becuase she is usually not mentally ready for that responsibility. And this is why in many Arab countries there is a certain age a girl has to be in order to get married.

Egypt: 18 for males and females (per the new child protection law).

Senegal: 20.

Tunisia: 20 for males and 17 for females

Iran: 18 for males and 16 for females

Jordan: 16 for males and 15 for females, lunar calendar; court permission required for females under 18 to marry men older by 20 years or more.

Kuwait: No minimum marriage age identified; capacity to marry requires parties to be of age (puberty) and of sound mind, however, no notarisation or registration of marriage permitted where female has not reached 15 years or male 17 years

Lebanon: 18 for males and 17 for females

Malaysia: 21, 18 with parental consent

Pakistan: 18 for males, 16 for females

These are all Muslim countries. They all have an age limit. Most if not all are over the age of 13. There is a reason for this. Men make laws and men know men. We all know there are some men that prey on little girls. What R. Kelly did is not new. There has been and their will always be old men that only want young girls. It is our job and responsibilty to protect our girls from these pretators.  Here is an example of what happens when tere is no law to protect girls. . Would you want that to be YOUR daughter? 

We have to protect our girls. I know there are some hot mama teens out there that needs to be married just to keep them from becomming a slut. whore, no umm whats the world Im lookign for promiscuous. But really these are not the majority. Maybe in Some areas ike Philly but that is not am example of the whole world. We need to teach the girls thatare fast to have pride in their bodies and to have respect for their sexuality. If you haev a girl that is goignt o be fast, and mothers of those fast girls you knwo who they are. You need to start trainign them early to be wives and mothers or be ready to take on her and her husband in your home until they are ready to go out into the world. That is an option. If you have a girl that is hot to trot an d you want her married let her. But keep her at home so you can train her and keep an eye on her. That is better than letting her go wild or turning a blinds eyes or just saying  she knows what she is doing becuase maybe……….she doesnt.

 

~ by livinglifeandlovinit on September 25, 2008.

6 Responses to “When is it a crime”

  1. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaah wa barakaatuh-

    Hey! That was my comment, LOL! Jazakillaahu khayran, I appreciate and respect your views mashaa Allaah. But I believe you have misunderstood me sis.

    I never said we should get all girls married when they reach puberty. I never even said all girls who reach puberty are ready for marriage. I’m not sure if you read this part of my comment:

    “There are reports that Maryam (Mary), the daughter of Imran, was 13 years old when she conceived and bore ‘Isa (Jesus) peace be upon him. That fact that Allaah, the Lord of all that is in the heavens and the earth, chose her at this age for this task, is evidence that in at least some instances, girls at this age can physically, mentally and psychologically take on the task of motherhood. And according to Allaah’s Laws, you have to be married before you can be a mother! So according to Allaah’s Laws, a 13 year old girl who has reached puberty, if found to be mentally and psychologically ready, CAN GET MARRIED!”

    So you see sis, I specifically mentioned the conditions of being mentally and psychologically ready for marriage. I never said just puberty was the determining factor. Shoot, I’ll go even further and say that many girls who have reached “legal” age, are not even ready for marriage!!!

    But at the same time, we know that there are many girls who reach puberty and ARE infact ready for marriage. We can’t deny that. If it wasn’t true Allaah wouldn’t have allowed it.

    I have a strong feeling though, that most of these girls grow up in traditional cultures and settings, where their upbringing is significantly different than in modern society. They learn about married life and motherhood from a very early age. So I say, they are out there, and I’m not sure about you, but I know I personally have not travelled the world over, so I can’t say what their population is!

    One more thing: manmade laws (coming from a Muslim country or not) are no match for Allaah’s laws. Allaah’s laws are superior and above all else, and, if followed, are sufficient to ensure the protection of the so-called underaged girl, as well as every other member of society. This is a part of our aqeedah or creed. Allaah has allowed it. Allowed doesn’t mean obligatory. It just means that if all the necessary conditions are met, it can happen.

  2. WS,

    Lol, I am glad you came to my blog I love when peopel visit my home :) . I did read the whole post. I saw that part. I was not really commenting on that. My points was abotu being a victuim to men that pray on young girls. Not really about getting married at a young age. I said I dont think most girls at 13 are mentally ready to make the choice .to have sex. They are not mentally ready for all that is involved.
    YOu have a valid point. some girls in some areas are trained from birth to be mothers and wives. and I do know Allah made laws for a good reason but That law does not give a man the right to prey on young girls.

  3. I’m still not ready!

  4. Asalamlaykom,

    I think we should take the Barbie out of your girl’s hands and just give it to the predators instead. All they want it a poseable body anyway. Saves them a lot of trouble and saves a girl from losing her self-respect and possibly her future.

  5. Even a young Muslim women that is mature enough to marry is supposed to have the aid of a wali to prevent being preyed upon–though we know that is not always the case.
    Love and Peace

  6. Yup, but sometime the so alled wali feeds them to the wolves. Look at that little girl in the article. her father gave her to that man. Who was her protection, not her father…Look at the other article. That man has been married nearly 60 times. Peopel have to know this. Would YOU marry your daughter off to him. Why did their families????

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